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Pretty cool for our cheese lover and attractive fruit eating JMo jejejeje thnks!!! 
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That MRJ interview wins at life SO HARD. The more I read or hear about him, the more I adore him, and I am ready to throw a hissy fit if he's not made part of the main cast for next season! I LOVE HIM. 
The funniest part of that interview to me is that Jen doesn't like ugly fruit....that is SO randomly hilarious, LMAO
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That MRJ interview wins at life SO HARD. The more I read or hear about him, the more I adore him, and I am ready to throw a hissy fit if he's not made part of the main cast for next season! I LOVE HIM.
The funniest part of that interview to me is that Jen doesn't like ugly fruit....that is SO randomly hilarious, LMAO
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I would love to be a fly on the wall wherever this dude is...seriously though, wouldn't it be so fun to hang out with their group one night? They are all so funny, I know I'd be in tears
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That MRJ interview wins at life SO HARD. The more I read or hear about him, the more I adore him, and I am ready to throw a hissy fit if he's not made part of the main cast for next season! I LOVE HIM.
The funniest part of that interview to me is that Jen doesn't like ugly fruit....that is SO randomly hilarious, LMAO
What she said
I would love to be a fly on the wall wherever this dude is...seriously though, wouldn't it be so fun to hang out with their group one night? They are all so funny, I know I'd be in tears
I'd love to hang out with their group too! It sounds like they have a total blast and never leave anyone out (love that MRJ doesn't mind being the third wheel and that the others invite him to things a lot). And seriously, I would so take them up on the go-kart racing because that would be SO MUCH FUN.
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MRJ rules! This was such an entertaining and revealing interview. Merci beaucoup, Agent Aurore, for finding this and posting it here. 
Indeed, I bet that Jen is expert at "fluffing one's aura." 
And she may not like ugly fruit, but she is a fan of kale...go figure. And a very definite YES for the go-kart racing. I'm a little surprised that Jen doesn't do that because she is so active and, IMO, would excel at that. Maybe she just doesn't want to show up the guys.
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That MRJ interview wins at life SO HARD. The more I read or hear about him, the more I adore him, and I am ready to throw a hissy fit if he's not made part of the main cast for next season! I LOVE HIM.
With Meghan Ory moving over to CBS' Intelligence for next season, might this mean that there will now be an opening for another OUAT series regular? Hmmmm, I wonder who that might be? That MRJ interview wins at life SO HARD. The more I read or hear about him, the more I adore him, and I am ready to throw a hissy fit if he's not made part of the main cast for next season! I LOVE HIM.
With Meghan Ory moving over to CBS' Intelligence for next season, might this mean that there will now be an opening for another OUAT series regular? Hmmmm, I wonder who that might be?
News item:
Cincinnati Reds baseball fan saved from throwing a hissy fit after announcement of OUAT star being promoted to series regular.
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That MRJ interview wins at life SO HARD. The more I read or hear about him, the more I adore him, and I am ready to throw a hissy fit if he's not made part of the main cast for next season! I LOVE HIM.
With Meghan Ory moving over to CBS' Intelligence for next season, might this mean that there will now be an opening for another OUAT series regular? Hmmmm, I wonder who that might be? That MRJ interview wins at life SO HARD. The more I read or hear about him, the more I adore him, and I am ready to throw a hissy fit if he's not made part of the main cast for next season! I LOVE HIM.
With Meghan Ory moving over to CBS' Intelligence for next season, might this mean that there will now be an opening for another OUAT series regular? Hmmmm, I wonder who that might be?
News item:
Cincinnati Reds baseball fan saved from throwing a hissy fit after announcement of OUAT star being promoted to series regular.
Hehe,, you know me too well but I think MRJ should be added to the cast regardless of Meghan's status. Hope they announce that sometime this summer!!
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'Once Upon a Time' finale: Showrunners Kitsis & Horowitz talk season 2 -- and what's next
by Hillary Busis
Far-off places, daring sword fights, magic spells, that guy from Can’t Hardly Wait – Once Upon a Time‘s second season had it all, plus an action-packed finale that sent a sextet of major characters careening into the uncharted waters of Neverland. Want to know more about how the show’s writers planned this epic conclusion — as well as their thoughts on the season as a whole? You’re in luck: EW got the whole story straight from Once‘s co-creators-slash-showrunners, Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz. [UPDATE: Here's our full recap of the finale.]
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: How long have you been planning to incorporate Peter Pan into the show? I remember hearing last year that you had to work out a few rights issues first.
EDWARD KITSIS: Honestly, the whole first year, we wanted to do Neverland, and we never could because of the rights issues — which seemed weird, because Disney had a Peter Pan movie, and they had a show called Jake and the Neverland Pirates. We don’t know how or why, but they figured it out. When we finished season 1, we got the go-ahead before we did what we call “mini-camp” — in between seasons, we take two weeks, three weeks, and just kind of blue sky the season. We learned this on Lost. [Both Kitsis and Horowitz wrote for ABC's mystical drama.] That’s when we came up with our Neverland.
Initially, did you have different plans for how you wanted to use Pan?
KITSIS: We knew we wanted to do Hook first. The first idea we had was that Rumpelstiltskin was the crocodile. We talked about, “Why would these two hate each other? What is the thing that could come between them?” And we both realized, “A woman.”
One of the finale’s biggest surprises is that Rumpelstiltskin seems to have tangled with Pan before.
KITSIS: He absolutely knows who Peter Pan is. In true Mr. Gold/Rumpel style, he knows more than Greg and Tamara.
ADAM HOROWITZ: And there’s certainly the implication that there’s a history there, one we’re eager to unfold.
Neverland is a mysterious island filled with mysterious people who kidnap boys for mysterious reasons. The whole thing seems like a callback to another show you two used to work on.
HOROWITZ: Uh, I don’t know what you’re referring to.
KITSIS: It’s funny — I didn’t think of that.
HOROWITZ: We honestly hadn’t thought of that, really, until you brought it up.
KITSIS: Peter Pan is my favorite. I love the idea that all the Lost Boys were orphans, and that they wanted Wendy to be their mom. In episode 21, Wendy painted this great portrait of what Neverland is, but of course –
– it’s actually kind of bleak and sad.
KITSIS: Things are fun for a day, but you need your family. You need an anchor in your life. And so I think we’re seeing that Neverland is a very seductive place for children. But now that you say that, the subtext…
HOROWITZ: You can take the writers out of Lost.
KITSIS: But you can’t take the Lost out of the writers.
HOROWITZ: But we can promise you, no smoke monster in Neverland.
We’re not going to find Tinker Bell at the bottom of a hatch?
KITSIS: No, but Ben Linus might be there.
He’s kind of like a fairy tale villain.
KITSIS: He is! He’s the man behind the curtain.
HOROWITZ: Don’t forget, Ben Linus started as Henry Gale from Wizard of Oz.
KITSIS: We’re really not bringing in Benjamin Linus, because he has a very successful TV show [CBS's Person of Interest, starring ex-Lostie Michael Emerson]. Before people get excited — it’s a joke!
So now we’ve got the Neverland stuff, we’ve got Bae and Mulan in Fairy Land, we’ve still got Storybrooke — how do you plan to cross between worlds next season? Will episodes still include flashbacks?
HOROWITZ: At the end of season 2, we’ve placed our core group in a very difficult situation. Some of them are on the boat; some of them are behind in Storybrooke; some of them are in another land. So the question is, how do we best continue telling their stories? Sometimes that will require flashbacks; sometimes it won’t. We want to continue to expand the storytelling modality of the show, like we did in season 2, where we were able to do things like flash back to Emma for the first time, or see time during the curse.
KITSIS: We are not going to be doing episodes next season that have five different worlds in them. We definitely plan not to overly confuse or complicate the show. It’s about simplifying.
Speaking of simplifying — over the course of season 2, you introduced a ton of new characters. Do you ever worry about the cast getting too unwieldy?
KITSIS: What’s funny is, we added a lot of characters [in] season 2 — but more new characters are introduced [in] season 1, as opposed to the pilot. The characters that got on the boat at the end of the year — we’re really interested in watching this kind of dysfunctional family on this journey together, and I think we’ll meet new people along the way. But our hope is never to have the new people overwhelm it. Season 3, we really want to dive deeper into our core characters, and continually tell their story.
HOROWITZ: We now have the ability to draw out familiar faces from the past when they’re appropriate. Hopefully, the audience is now familiar enough so that it doesn’t feel like you’re adding new characters, but like you’re playing within a large, rich world.
KITSIS: To us, it’s much more fun that Robin Hood steals from Rumpelstiltskin, and that’s who he’s going to kill, as opposed to Knight #3. But what happens then is that people are like, “Hey, it’s a new character!”
So when you drop in somebody like Robin Hood, you don’t necessarily intend him to get a backstory episode. It’s a possibility, but it’s not inevitable.
KITSIS: It is not. Would we like to tell a Robin Hood backstory? Someday, but not at the expense of the other characters.
Between things like Regina killing an entire village and Rumpelstiltskin and Cora’s sexually charged spinning, this season’s been a little darker and sexier than season 1. How difficult is it to keep Once feeling like a family show?
HOROWITZ: These fairy tales always have an element of darkness, and for us, there’s a big distinction between darkness and unpleasantness. And we never want to go there. We’re never going to be a serial killer show. We want to touch on the darkness and the scariness that are inherent in these stories.
KITSIS: This year probably was a little darker. But as Adam said, we’re not trying to alienate our entire audience; what’s fun about this show is that everybody can watch. But season 1, don’t forget, we had Regina rip out the Huntsman’s chest and control him, and she killed her own father.
HOROWITZ: We also try to never lose sight of one of the guiding principles of this show, which is hope.
KITSIS: Even if you look at the end of the year — what’s happened to Henry is a very dark thing. But what he wanted in the beginning of the year was his family to come together — and here they are on a ship, working together to go after him.
HOROWITZ: The irony is, he’s getting [a family] without being there. Emma, Regina, Mr. Gold, Snow, Charming – they’re all united together for a common purpose, which is him.
How do you think Regina and Snow are going to relate to each other, now that they’re working on the same side?
KITSIS: Regina and Rumpelstiltskin are on that ship, and we know what tricks they employ to get what they want. We also know that the Charmings have their own code of honor.
HOROWITZ: Just because you want the same thing, doesn’t mean you agree on the methods. And that’s going to be some of the drama there. Despite the fact that they all want to save Henry, they have a long and difficult history with each other that they need to deal with.
So after Regina’s selfless move in the finale, do you think she’s been redeemed, or at least gotten closer to redemption?
KITSIS: The metaphor we used in the [writers’] room was, she was an alcoholic and magic was her bottle. One of my favorite moments of the year is when she looks at Emma in the finale and says, “Everyone thinks I’m the evil queen. Let me die as Regina.” In that moment, that was her arc of the season. Now that they took Henry, now that she’s on this ship, the game has changed, because the goal is not self-betterment — the goal is to save her son.
And Rumpel is also fighting to save Henry, despite that prophecy saying Henry will be his undoing.
KITSIS: Rumpelstiltskin’s whole life, he’s always chosen power over love. He even did it in the finale — he tried to kill Henry in the opening. And then when he sees that boat coming, he knows what he has to do. He knows this is a one-way trip, but he knows it’s the only way to lighten his heart.
But then again, I’m sure you picked the wording of that prophecy very carefully — because “undoing” doesn’t necessarily mean “death.”
HOROWITZ: “Undoing” — he could be untying his shoes! In all seriousness, it’s kind of what Belle articulates at the end of season 2: The future, it’s never what you think. That doesn’t mean it’s not going to be terrible, but it’s never quite exactly what you think. What that prophecy actually means and how it’s going to play out is something he’s going to find out the hard way.
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Found this , it is a bit from the ATX conference or interview the OUAT Creators gave. It is in Spanish though... QUOTE¿Emma se involucra de lleno en la magia?
Eddy ha dicho: "Emma se dio cuenta de que tiene magia pero se negaba a aceptarlo. Al final, sabe que no tiene el control de ella y además, tampoco tuvo tiempo en la segunda temporada para contemplar el hecho de controlarla. La temporada 3 va a ser el momento de preguntarse ¿cuáles son mis habilidades? ¿qué significa ser la salvadora? Los co-creadores también han revelado que se profundizará en el pasado de Emma.
Con Emma aprendiendo sus nuevas habilidades, ¿ayudará Regina a su antigua enemiga a entrenarse en esta habilidad? "Sus padres tienen una opinión acerca de entrenarse, pero las circunstancias... ¡quizá lo requieran!" dijo Adam.
También añadió que puede que veamos más interacción entre ellas dos desde que trabajaron juntas para salvar Storybrooke.
Is Emma getting involved with magic?
Eddy: " Emma knows she has magic, but has refused to accept it. In the end, she knows she has not gained the ability to control it, and, she hadn't time in the 2nd season to achive that goal. On the 3 rd season, it will be the perfect time for her to start questioning her abilities, which are they, and what does it means to be the savior". The creators have also said that, on the 3rd season we will be able to go and explore more about Emma's past.
Adam:" with Emma learning her new abilities, maybe Regina will help her out? Her parents have a really strong opinion on Emma learning magic, but considering the circumstances it might be needed!!"
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Very interesting info about Emma and Season "tres."
Good detective work here, tiuchis. Operation Cobra at work.
The "Home Office" will be pleased, too.
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September 27, 2013 07:20 AM PDT Once Upon a Time Creators Address 'Plotty' Past, Preview a Future of Neverland Conflict, Charming Bonding, 'Heat' for Regina and More
Matt Webb Mitovich
Once Upon a Time Season 3 SpoilersTwo Lost boys will serve up plenty of Lost Boys as Once Upon a Time opens Season 3 this Sunday at 8/7c.
When last we tuned into the ABC drama, Emma, the ‘rents, Rumple, Hook and Regina had set sail for Neverland in search of Henry, who had been whisked into a portal by Tamara and Greg. The action — save for a brief detour to 11 years ago — picks up with the unlikely allies splashing down in Peter Pan’s ‘hood, well wary of what awaits them.
Series cocreators Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis gave TVLine a deep dive into the new season, previewing a collision of egos, overdue family bonding, romantic detours and an overall exploration of character that some feel eluded Season 2.
TVLINE | Do you feel, that if you had any regrets about Season 2, that it was at times quite plot-driven and not as character-driven as you might have liked? Is that anything you were conscious of as you went into Season 3?
ADAM HOROWITZ | We are always conscious of trying to make it character-driven and not plot-driven, and if Season 2 appeared that way to some, that’s certainly something we don’t want to have happen with Season 3. Our intention going into Season 2 was to make it character-driven and to make the plot service the characters, but can we do better? We always try to. With each season, we’ve tried to be ambitious, and I think we’ve succeeded with some things and fallen short with others. We just have to look at the “game tape” of what we’ve done, learn what worked best and build on that.
TVLINE | I’m thinking of, for example, Regina. Last year, she seemed to be doing a lot of stuff to service the plot.
EDDY KITSIS | It’s unfortunate then that it came off that way, because what we tried to do was treat “magic and being good” like the metaphor of an alcoholic. So in the first nine episodes, Regina was staying clean for Henry, resulting in her saving Snow White’s life, which is a cold day in hell for her — and then she’s not invited to dinner. And when she is invited to dinner, she looked across the room and realized these people may tolerate her, but they will never forgive her. So when her mom comes with “the bottle,” she takes the short way out. And in the end when she says, “Everyone thinks I’m the Evil Queen; let me die as Regina,” what we were setting up was a person who kept going back and forth and at the end of the day realized they didn’t want to be remembered for something horrible they did. People might have thought she was flip-flopping, but for us it’s like quitting cigarettes — LANA PARRILLA you go on and off until you can finally put it behind you. But in Season 3, she’s going to embrace who she is a lot more.
HOROWITZ | If anything, the challenge for the show has been and continues to be taking the mythology that involves all of these characters — the stuff that kind of comes out as “plot” — and making it digestible in as smooth a way possible through character, through the moments they share and wherein they reveal themselves.
KITSIS | Regina might have been flip-floppy, but she was not one of the ones we thought was “plotty.”
HOROWITZ | We were trying to take a dive with Regina and we think we got her where she needed to be. Maybe the dive was a little splashier than it should have been, but for where we wanted to go, we now are in a position to do some new things with her in Season 3.
TVLINE | As Season 3 takes shape, how will it differ from 2 in theme, in tone…?
HOROWOTZ | I’ll say one thing: On the character front, something that you brought up and we’re very conscious of, we are really making the effort to peel back the layers on these characters. That’s one of the reasons we’re embarking on this Neverland story. As you’ll see particularly in the first half of this season, a lot of time is spent in Neverland with the six people on that ship, and what they encounter there and what Neverland itself does to them helps shine a new light on them.
TVLINE | What questions or issues are you aiming to raise or explore with this journey?
KITSIS | Neverland, for us, is a place where you don’t grow up, and since you have no future, we feel like Neverland makes you confront your past. There was a certain speed to Season 2, and there were big issues raised that we didn’t catch our breath in enough time to explore — like, Emma questioning why she has magic. And Emma now knows that Mary Margaret and David are her parents, but does she really look at them like parents? And what is it like for them? What does it mean to be a mom as opposed to saying you’re a mom? And Regina was told by Greg Mendel, “You’re a villain, you don’t get a happy ending,” so she wonders if that’s true. We want to take the time to explore these big character things that we set up in Season 2. What I love about Neverland is it’s like you’re in the jungle. It’s magical and yet at the same time dark and sexy.
TVLINE | As the six search this land that is foreign to at least some of them, will they be splintered into different “camps” a la Lost’s Jack and Locke? Will there be torn allegiances?
HOROWITZ | There will certainly be hurdles to be cleared in order for them to rescue Henry — if they do in fact manage to rescue Henry. We’ll see different alliances, and we’ll see splits occurring… different permutations of things.
KITSIS | You have six people on the boat who all think they’re a leader. At the end of Season 2, they were all united with, “Let’s go get Henry,” but when they face their first obstacle, you can’t have six leaders.
TVLINE | Right. Like, if you ask me to choose between Charming, who you know has the right priorities, and Hook, who might have a tactical advantage, I’m in a pickle.
KITSIS | Exactly. And if you’re Regina, who thinks she’s smarter than both of them… [Laughs] For us, that’s the fun.
TVLINE | Is Peter Pan someone they will meet right away? And will he quickly live up to the ominous billing Rumple gave him?
KITSIS | We think so, but you know Twitter….
HOROWITZ | We’ll meet Peter Pan rather quickly, and we think that he lives up to Rumple’s warning, which was, “That’s who you need to be afraid of.” And if The Dark One is afraid of someone, you should probably listen to him.
TVLINE | What are you going to do with Snow and DavidCOLIN O'DONOGHUE (BACKGROUND), JOSH DALLAS, GINNIFER GOODWIN amidst all this? I mean, Henry is Emma’s son, he is Regina’s son….
KITSIS | I would say that Emma is their daughter, and in Neverland, a place where there are no parents, they’re going to wonder what that means. And how do you parent a 28-year-old who has the same life experience you do?
HOROWITZ | On a certain storytelling level, what the beginning of this season provides us, that we weren’t able to do in Season 2, is: The family is together. We have the chance to really play these moments of what it means for David and Mary Margaret to come to terms with their daughter Emma, and how being her parents is going to be difficult for Emma and difficult for them. How do they forge this unique familial relationship?
KITSIS | Also, if you remember in the finale Emma wanted to throw the bean and get the hell out of there, and Mary Margaret said, “Let’s do it the hard way” — and the hard way got Henry kidnapped. Last year, David and Mary Margaret were, “We are both.” This year it’s, “We need Snow and Charming,” that’s what this mission requires. In a lot of ways, Mary Margaret may not be able to bond with Emma, but Bandit Snow and Emma have a lot in common. She needs to return the light to her daughter. And in the same respect, David is more a man of action than words, and he realizes that while he barely knows his daughter, he can show her what a hero is.
TVLINE | Are there answers to be had on the Home office mystery, as we get to Neverland?
KITSIS | Very quickly. Within the first two acts of the premiere you will see what the Home Office is.
TVLINE | And what about Pan’s specific want for Henry? Is that visited early on?
KITSIS | It is teased early on, but that is the mystery of the first 11 [episodes].
HOROWITZ | You understand very quickly what Peter Pan is doing and what he’s up to, but what’s really behind it is unfurled as we go along.
TVLINE | Among our characters there in Neverland, what dynamics are you excited to explore?COLIN O'DONOGHUE, PARKER CROFT
KITSIS | We’re really excited about all of it. We’re excited to see Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold, who was going off on a suicide mission in the name of doing the right thing, because he believes his son is dead. You’ve got Emma grieving Bae, though of course we know that he’s alive. You’ve got Hook, who realized that revenge is not all it was cracked up to be, so maybe he’s thinking there’s a future for him and Emma. One of the things we’ve loved most is just having the group just be together, on this trek.
TVLINE | What, do they trade zingers along the way?
KITSIS | Oh yeah. And there’s the way they all react differently to things. Obviously David hates Hook. Regina hates all of them. Snow resents Regina. They all have this baggage and this history that after two years we forgot we built up, but then when you watch Season 3 you see it all come out.
TVLINE | Were you suggesting earlier that there will be time for, if not romance, romantic moments…?
HOROWITZ | Romance plays a big part in this season. We certainly don’t want to undermine the intensity and the importance of the mission to rescue Henry, but we also know that the feelings between many of these characters are going to be hard to deny.
KITSIS | The other thing is that because we are doing the 11/11 split of the season, we really are treating this like its own season. Neverland will be done by 11, and because you know what you’re writing towards, we’re almost treating it like one giant movie. And like any adventure movie, there’s romance, there are tings that terrifying, there are things that are heartbreaking…. That was always our goal, to have that big summer movie feel, where you can be laughing and then frightened all in the same hour.
HOROWITZ | The best kind of roller coaster is the one that goes through all of that stuff.
TVLINE | You told me over the summer, “There is a special someone out there for Regina.” What is she like when crushing on someone — or being crushed on, however it is this scenario shakes out? Or is this not about tepid “crushing” but co-viewing-friendly heat?
HOROWITZ | It’s about destiny and fate. — and with Regina, you can certainly also expect plenty of heat.
TVLINE | After the Season 2 finale, you assuredOnce Upon a Time Season 3 Spoilers me there was a plan for Belle and the others back in Storybrooke. What shape has that plan taken?
HOROWITZ | That is an excellent question. Belle’s role in this first half of the season becomes clear very early on, within the first couple episodes — and in a way we think is not expected. How Belle fits into all of this is something we’re really excited to reveal to the audience.
TVLINE | Because Emile de Ravin is still a series regular, right?
HOROWITZ | She is still a series regular, and she is still very much involved in the story.
TVLINE | What can you say about Neal’s story over in Fairytale Land? Is that where your extended need for a Robin Hood (now played by Sean Maguire) comes in?
KITSIS | If you were guessing, that might be a good guess….
HOROWITZ | We pick up Neal right where we left him in the finale, which is with Aurora, Mulan and Philip, and he’s got a big problem, which is he is as far away from his family as he’s ever been. How is he going to get back? He doesn’t know what’s happened. Last thingMICHAEL RAYMOND-JAMES, SEAN MCGUIRE, JAMIE CHUNG he knows, Tamara was shooting him in a boiler room!
KITSIS | It was a cannery, to be fair.
TVLINE | What backstory gaps will you be filling in via flashbacks?
KITSIS | The second episode is a Snow/Charming episode, with the Evil Queen — we’re going to be filling in some time from [Snow's] wake-up to when they met her on the battlefield. How did the queen react to that wake-up? And who told her?
HOROWITZ | Episode 3 is a Tinker Bell origin story….
KITSIS | We’re going to tell a Rumple story, and we’re going to find out how Hook became a pirate. And Episode 6 is called “Ariel” (guest-starring JoAnna Garcia Swisher as The Little Mermaid).
TVLINE | And what can you reveal about Giancarlo Esposito’s return?
KITSIS | We always want him back, and NBC was kind enough to lend him to us. I would say, “If the queen is going to find out that a sleeping curse was broken, who better to deliver the news?”
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Q&A: 'Once Upon a Time' Creators on Having a Role for Kelly Clarkson
Fantasy showrunners also talk about reinventing Peter Pan, Ariel and other fan-favorites
By Scott Neumyer
September 27, 2013 4:15 PM ET
Once Upon a Time creators and showrunners Ed Kitsis and Adam Horowitz are infectiously passionate when speaking about their fantasy-based shows. There's plenty of intrigue ahead in Once Upon a Time's third season, including most of the cast's voyage to Neverland in search of Emma's son, Henry; it premieres on 8 p.m. on Sunday on ABC.
The duo is extra-busy now in their storybook universe; they have a new sister show, Once Upon a Time in Wonderland, set to premiere on October 10th at 8 p.m. It stars John Lithgow as the White Rabbit and newcomer Sophie Lowe as Alice, and is intended to be a separate narrative that feels inviting for unfamiliar viewers while also offering some extra tidbits from the main show.
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Kitsis and Horowitz sat down with Rolling Stone talk about fairy tales, Easter eggs and getting Iggy Pop to voice a druggy caterpillar.
You've had two great seasons of Once Upon a Time already. What can fans look forward to in season three?
Kitsis: I think what we're really excited about in season three is that we're on an adventure to Neverland and we've got the Fairytale Avengers off to battle an evil Peter Pan and save Henry. We're very excited for people to see Neverland, meet Peter Pan, and we think the show is going in a really fun, magical and yet emotional direction. We're doing the seasons in two this year. We're writing eleven episodes in the beginning and eleven in spring, so this first section is Neverland and we're really excited about it.
Were you guys nervous about making Peter Pan evil?
Horowitz: Honestly, we're nervous about everything, but that's sort of our approach to storytelling. We like to find ideas that excite us and, if they make us a little nervous, then we head toward that rather than away from it. But as for Peter Pan being evil, our Peter Pan is not, as you'll see, a black-and-white creation of good and evil, just like we like to think all of our characters aren't black and white. What we're excited about is peeling back the layers on our version of Peter Pan so you can understand why he's doing the things that he's doing, starting with taking Henry from our heroes.
Kitsis: We always try to put our own twist on it so, for us, it wouldn't be fun to just do another version of Peter Pan – just like last year, our Captain Hook is a lot different than other Captain Hooks.
Without going into spoiler territory, we know we're going to see Peter Pan and Neverland as well as Ariel, and obviously there's the Once Upon a Time in Wonderland spinoff happening. Any other characters or fairy tales that might be weaved into this story?
Kitsis: We're going to be seeing Tinker Bell and we're going to be doing a version of the Pied Piper.
Horowitz: As well as continuing to explore Robin Hood.
Are we going back to Wonderland at any time, like in previous seasons, or are you going to leave that to the new series?
Kitsis: We're going to leave that the new series.
Horowitz: Wonderland will be strictly the domain of the new series. You may see something familiar from Once on Wonderland, but really, the intention is that both of these shows will be their own separate entities.
Kitsis: They exist in their own universes.
Horowitz: The stories that are taking place on each show are not dependent upon each other.
Kitsis: Yeah, we don't want to overwhelm the viewer.
So there won't be any crossovers at all? I know, for instance, that Once Upon a Time in Wonderland starts in Storybrooke.
Kitsis: There will be a couple that start in Storybrooke and we will see maybe one or two flashbacks.
Horowitz: The streams will cross in some ways that are hopefully fun for fans of Once Upon a Time that are watching Wonderland, and hopefully the fans that come to Wonderland will get a self-contained experience that will have things that we hope will please fans of the greater franchise.
Kitsis: We really wanted to make sure that people who hadn't seen Once didn't feel like they couldn't watch Wonderland because they hadn't seen the other show.
You conceived Once prior to working on Lost, but after working on a show like that with such a deep, rich serialized mythology, did you feel allegiance to that kind of storytelling?
Kitsis: We had this idea when we were coming off of Felicity, which was around 2002, but we didn't know how to tell it. We had a good idea, but we didn't know how to execute it. It really wasn't until we got to Lost that the writer's block went away and we started to realize how you do a show like this. I would say Lost is kind of where we found our sound and we applied it to Once.
As on Lost, there are tons of Easter eggs dropped throughout all the episodes. Do you guys follow that stuff online and continue to add them to play with the audience a little?
Kitsis: We try to write the show so that if people want to just lean back, have a beer, and watch the show, they can enjoy it, but we're also fans in our own right so we also try to reward the people that want to lean in with a magnifying glass and see the Easter eggs. It could be as simple as an Apollo Bar or it could be hints we gave season one about Pinocchio, that he kept lying about having lemurs somewhere or something. So we do try to reward both viewers.
Are there any in particular that you've dropped that you don't think someone has picked up on yet? Something that has made you say, "I can't believe they missed that!"
Kitsis: We'll do random ones like when we called our werewolves episode "Child of the Moon," which was after the Rolling Stones song. We called the original Dark One "Zoso" after Led Zeppelin, and those don't get picked up as easily as when the clock said 8:15 [which is a reference to Lost].
That could be an issue of the age of your show's audience as well.
Kitsis: That could be. They're not as big Rolling Stones fans as us. [Laughs] I will say, though, that they get everything. When we did August W. Booth, we named him after the guy who coined the term "unreliable narrator" and, we started to having him lying in scenes. Our audience is so clever and they're so smart that they immediately picked up on it. So unless it's some sort of weird, obscure rock reference, and they even get most of those, they get them. It's great because you put something in and our audience is so smart that they get it immediately. And, by the way, there are things that you think you're being clever and the audience figures it out a year before, so by the time you reveal it, they already know. Like when we revealed that Henry's dad was Rumpelstiltskin's son, we had that from Season One and we thought we were clever, but by the time we got to it, most of our audience were already anticipating it.
With some of the changes that you make to these fairy tales, is there anything in fairy tale land that you think is just off-limits? Are there any stories that you just wouldn't feel comfortable changing?
Horowitz: It's funny because we try to challenge ourselves to find the coolest spin on these stories, and the things that excite us the most, but we haven't thought about it in terms of something being off limits. It's more about thinking about what's the surprising way into these stories.
Kitsis: Right, so for us when we first chose Wonderland, we went through the Mad Hatter to find out how he became mad. Once we added an eighth dwarf and killed it, at that point, we realized it was just a matter of finding the right story for the right character. It's taken us two years to do Ariel, but that was because we always wanted to save her for Neverland, where we know there are mermaids.
I'm not sure if you saw it online, but Kelly Clarkson is super excited about Ariel.
Kitsis: We love Kelly Clarkson and she has been our biggest supporter since day one. We are so honored because at first. I heard that and I was like, "That's not true!" and then someone sent us a tweet we got from her and I said, "Oh my God, really?"
Seems like the perfect time to ask her to do a guest spot.
Kitsis: We will take her! Any time she wants to come to Vancouver, we have got a spot for her.
One of the things that makes the large ensemble of characters on Once Upon a Time work is that all the various threads have some type of connective tissue. Do you ever worry about introducing too many fairy tale characters into this mythology?
Horowitz: Absolutely. You don't want to overwhelm the audience and you want to, most importantly, care about the characters. For example, this season is very much focused on that core group who's on the boat as well as Belle, who's left behind in Storybrooke, and telling their story. What we always strive to do is, when we introduce new characters is find the way that they are connected to them, so that it's not feeling like an island or a tangent. Rather than being a tangent, it actually enriches the story of the regulars.
Kitsis: That's why we were so excited, this year, putting those characters on that boat to Neverland and watching because, at the end of the day, Once is the story of a dysfunctional family. For us, we love seeing everyone come together and what we love so much about Neverland is really kind of seeing this core group get into it. Like Captain Hook, last year, was a new character but now, coming into Season Three you forget that he wasn't in the pilot. For us, we always say it's like Desmond and Ben Linus on Lost. You don't realize they weren't on the plane.
Rapid-fire question time: Is Rumpelstiltskin ever going to get to just be happy with Belle?
Kitsis: You know, if we answer that. . . I can tell you that Rumpel is searching for his happy ending and just because villains are villains doesn't mean that they don't want a happy ending. I can say that he is striving for that, but it is going to be very difficult and, where we last left him, he was on a suicide mission to save Henry. But that was, of course, before he knew his son was alive, so he's going to keep striving.
Are we ever going to get to see Maleficent out of that dragon state?
Horowitz: What we'll say is that Maleficent's presence will be felt again on Once Upon a Time in Wonderland.
I know this is akin to asking you guys to pick your favorite child, but are you more excited for fans to see what's new in Season Three or for them to check out the new series?
Kitsis: Both! (laughs)
Horowitz: I would say that it's an equal amount of excitement and nervousness. We've been living with both [Season Three of Once and the first season of Wonderland] since May as we've been cooking up and writing these scripts, so now we're right on the cusp of everyone getting a peek at them and it's like sending your children off into the world. It's exciting and nerve-wracking and we can't wait.
Kitsis: We're so excited for Season Three and Neverland and, for us, we feel like it's some of our best episodes yet. We're the most excited for Neverland. At the same time, we love Wonderland. It's so much fun. It's a great new cast with new stories and it's got its own vibe and it's really like a trippy, dark psychedelic romance and we're excited for people to get into it. I mean, the recent news is that Iggy Pop is going to be voicing the hookah-smoking caterpillar. Plus, John Lithgow as the White Rabbit. How can you beat that?
Can we please get more Red Riding Hood and more Aurora and Mulan?
Kitsis: Aurora and Mulan, we are definitely going to get more of them. We have a great arc for them in the first eleven episodes, and Ruby will be coming back in the second half because she’s on Intelligence right now but she is definitely a part of the show and she will hopefully be back in the latter half of the season.
So exciting. Those characters, and the talented actors who play them, are great.
Horowitz: Yeah, we’ve got some stuff that we’re very happy and excited about for Aurora and Mulan and you’ll see them very soon.
Kitsis: In the season premiere even!
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